BCS lineup set

**Biggin** · December 5th, 2011, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by red66

But they did win their conference championship. You're just being an Alabama homer. If you were an Oklahoma State fan you would be saying Oklahoma State should be in the title game. Both teams are good teams and both teams are deserving. My only gripe about it is that Alabama already had their chance at home and lost because their kicker couldn't make a field goal. The only way to settle it is with a playoff or at least a +1 system that settles it on the field.

So you wanna penalize Alabama for losing to #1 LSU by a FG in OT and turn around and reward OSU for losing to 6-6 Iowa State?

OSU had their shot to play LSU, beat ISU and they are there.

**gcdevil22** · December 5th, 2011, 12:25 PM

I'm not gonna make a case for VT being in the Sugar...it came down to ticket sales and fan bases plain and simple...i'll take it

but I will add that if you're gonna talk about schedules, let's go ahead and point out that Alabama only has 3 wins over teams with winning records....

so...uh....there's that...

**UnIoNfAn** · December 5th, 2011, 04:29 PM

As far as the National Championship is concerned, I feel they got it right. Bama and LSU could beat any other teams any given day this season. The case for OKST is simple, they are good on offense and fast as can be but IDK if they could line up play after play with either LSU or Bama. As far as LSU already beating Bama at home so they should do it again on a neutral feild, Nick Satan is a hard man to beat two times in one season and he also gets over a month to prepare! On the other hand, the Mad Hatter is one heck of a coach and the voodoo blessings have been on the Bayou Bengals from day one. This is a "home" game for the Tigers as well. I lok for it to be another low scoring grind it out type of game! Im pullin for the tigers to win, but either way you cut it its 6 in a row for God's gift to College football the SEC

**EJ3** · December 5th, 2011, 05:47 PM

IMO LSU are the National Champions, regardless of the outcome. Bama beat one team worth a crap this season, didn't win their division or conference, but somehow they get another shot.

This whole thing seems a lot like the '06 season. That year everyone thought that OSU and Michigan were by far the two best teams in the country. Luckily UF slid by Michigan at the very end, and proved to the world that the neither OSU or Michigan was worth the hype. I'm not saying the same thing would have happened this year, but we'll never know. Hopefully the Tigers roll in January otherwise there will be another split National Title.(which the BCS was supposed to eliminate)

**starbuck** · December 5th, 2011, 07:09 PM

we know the score of the first LSU-Bama game but the Tide was the the team that played the better game. LSU really escaped with one in that game. Tide left what? 10 points on the field easy?

**Biggin** · December 5th, 2011, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by EJ3

IMO LSU are the National Champions, regardless of the outcome. Bama beat one team worth a crap this season, didn't win their division or conference, but somehow they get another shot.

This whole thing seems a lot like the '06 season. That year everyone thought that OSU and Michigan were by far the two best teams in the country. Luckily UF slid by Michigan at the very end, and proved to the world that the neither OSU or Michigan was worth the hype. I'm not saying the same thing would have happened this year, but we'll never know. Hopefully the Tigers roll in January otherwise there will be another split National Title.(which the BCS was supposed to eliminate)

Arkansas is a top 10 team. Penn State won 9 games. Auburn is ranked. Florida was ranked at one point. Vanderbilt is 6-6 but just RAILED a Wake Forest team by FIVE TDs that beat Florida State. The SEC's 6-6 is not like the Big XII's 6-6.

How many "worth a crap" teams did OSU beat? Two? Three?

You cant give OSU credit for beating Mizzou or TT while downing Alabama for beating Vandy or UF.

and UGA would beat Wisconsin IMO, and smash WVU. Speed owns the Big 10.
Call me what you want, but UGA would not get blown out by OSU or Oregon either. Their defense is too good for that.

Not to mention when the SEC commissioner Mike Slive proposed a plus-1 system, no other conference aside from the ACC (props, at least they were open to it) would even entertain the thought.

So Big XII, PAC-12, Big 10 fans should be pissed at their commissioners and presidents. You can't reject the SEC's idea to fix the system then be pissed when it works out putting the two best teams in the title game.

**Biggin** · December 5th, 2011, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by gcdevil22

I'm not gonna make a case for VT being in the Sugar...it came down to ticket sales and fan bases plain and simple...i'll take it

but I will add that if you're gonna talk about schedules, let's go ahead and point out that Alabama only has 3 wins over teams with winning records....

so...uh....there's that...

and VT has one win over a ranked team.

I love how people mention that, because its false.

Penn State-winning record
Arkansas-winning record
Auburn-winning record
Georgia Southern-winning record

But because Vandy is 6-6 and UT (who dismantled the co-Big East champ by 3 TDs) is 5-7, somehow Bama's schedule is weak.

Bama beat six teams with non-losing records.
Bama beat three ranked teams.
Bama has a better win than OSU.
Bama has a better loss than OSU.

**red66** · December 5th, 2011, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Biggin

Georgia Southern-winning record

Did you really just base your argument against having a win against only three teams with winning records by saying Georgia Southern has a winning record? Using your logic a 10-2 Georgia Southern team is like a 2-10 SEC team. Not to mention that Georgia Southern team was beat by Appalachian State who VT throttled. But that is beside the point.

The point that I tried to make is that both Alabama and Oklahoma State are deserving and Stanford has the right to throw their name in the pot as well, but not as much as the other two. The ONLY way to settle it is a plus 1 or playoff, but what we have is what we have so we are stuck with it.

**EJ3** · December 6th, 2011, 02:20 AM

Once again I'm not arguing that either team deserves to be there more than the other. I'm just saying that LSU, having beaten 2 major conference winners badly and outscoring SEC opponents 322-77, has proved enough. If they're not going to play a conference champion that they haven't already beaten, then there shouldn't even be a BCS championship game. They should just be crowned national champs, which is what the AP will do if they haven't already.

**EJ3** · December 6th, 2011, 02:42 AM

As far as the playoff/+1 scenarios go, here is what I would love to see.

6 teams, all major conference champions, the top 2 BCS rankings get a "bye"

This year would look like this.

Clemson/WVU - Orange bowl
Oregon/Wisconsin - Rose Bowl

Clemson/WVU winner/LSU - Sugar Bowl
Oregon/Wisconsin winner/Ok. State - Fiesta Bowl

The 2 winners would meet in New Orleans for the title(championship locations would rotate like they do currently)

IMO this is a great option. It eliminates all the arguing over all the At-Large crap. If you don't win your conference or don't play in a major conference, you don't qualify. It also would allow the bowls to keep there conference tie-in's for the most part. The only difference is the first round of games would probably have to be played before Christmas or the season would need to be extended by a week.